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Subject: National Record Claiming
Posted, June 15, 2007
What do we "collectively" think about this proposal from the NZDRA. on "
National Record Claiming"
Because tracks are not prompt with records at other events, it was
suggested that perhaps National Records should only be claimed at National
Event
Series Meetings. This would assist tracks and NZDRA with the manpower
required to maintain the records more efficiently at championship rounds.
If a
record is run at a meeting before a Series event it often is not received
by NZDRA to be ratified for implementation as an index at the next major
event.
In terms of index racing, if a competitor was to break a record during
index racing (at non-NZDRA series meetings), then the existing record
would remain,
the index would not be moved. Index racers could “test and tune” at other
meetings without penalty and in doing so would also help support the other
meetings. This proposal would also allow tracks to hold and maintain their
own track records (no backup run required).
Competitors with comments on these proposals are advised to discuss/email
their local driver’s representatives."
I think we should put a reply to them and have it come from us all.
Richard
AK
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Posted, June 18, 2007
Sounds reasonable to me. I also had a look at the NZDRA newsletter and the
other ideas they were putting forward seemed to make sense too.
Dean & Inge Veale
Helensville, NZ
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Posted, June 23, 2007
Sounds like a step backwards to me. This is sort of the way it used to be.
I think if you break a record at any NZDRA meeting and back it up it
should stand and the index changed. Possibly a lot of the delay in records
being claimed are racers wanting to keep a bit up there sleeve for the 2
day national and the grand final event. Maybe NZDRA should look at having
area stewards e-mailing in record claims to speed up the process and as
the rule book says they are to be claimed on the day.
Craig Wray
Nelson
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Posted, June 25, 2007
Some racers (including myself) work bloody hard at pushing the class
record, getting really close only to finish the weekends meeting and only
half done the ET or MPH record.
I would be pretty pissed off if I went to any of the advertised
competition meeting in the NZDRA calendar and took the record and wasn’t
allowed to claim it because it wasn’t one of the points rounds.
In addition this is not going to sell me and my bike to sponsors if all I
can hold is a local track record.
The newsletter states that tracks don’t respond in a timely manner to get
the documents off to head office. Why don't they create an online form
that can be filed in by the tracks admin staff and submit electronically
and then snail mail the documents into head office as soon as possible
afterwards.
At a time when most businesses are moving towards or have achieved
paperless record systems it seams unjust to penalize drivers and riders
for systems inefficiencies.
There is a potential business risk for tracks that top riders and drivers
will either not attend or will use non national meeting for test and tune
only.
At a time when NZDRA is seeking to take the sport to the next level in New
Zealand this proposed rule change is a retrograde step.
I emailed this to nzdra exec.
Ian Taylor
Wainuiomata
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Posted, June 25, 2007
Hi Yes...That's my thinking....I mean we have e-mail these days. How long
can it take to process a record claim !!!.
Also you cannot delay the claiming of a record. The rules say you must
front up and claim it on the day weather you want to or not.
Sounds like the NZDRA needs to up their game. I mean it is the local NZDRA
official that handles each new claim isn't it?.
Now don't get me wrong .The NZDRA do a great job In my opinion...but lets
not complicate things just because of "slow paper work".
I say we have one record holder. The National record holder. No confusion.
No
wannabe "Track Recorder Holders".
Your either are the National Record Holder or your not.
Sounds like slack record keeping to me.
Richard
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Posted, June 26, 2007
Couldn't agree more....ONE RECORD, ONE RECORD HOLDER. Track record
holders? Not my cup of tea. If I ever run a national record I WANT
IT!....and i'm sure gonna try!
Ian Wilkins
Auckland, N.Z.
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Posted, June 27, 2007
Gents - You may have grabbed the wrong end of the stick here.......
The existing system which we have all been racing under for at least the
last 25 years is....
- there is only one National ET Record Holder
- there may also be a different (but still only one) National MPH Record
Holder
- There are also track records, which exist whether we like it or not!
Most just aren't published.
I will post NZDRA's reply to the question on this site.....don't knock it
'till you've seen it! I think it has merit...
Ian Hilder
AKL, NZ
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Published, June 28, 2007 Another perspective,
this time from the NZDRA CEO's point of view.........
NZDRA have been trying to get the tracks to send the files at the
conclusion of the meeting and have even given them ladders etc to make the
job easier, trouble is no one has gone to the trouble to sort there
computer software to automatically do it so it is done manually, and
unfortunately after a day's racing no one wants to spend another 4 or 5
hours at the track putting it into an understandable format No results are
done by snail mail.
The way Willowbank etc get their results so quick is track media doing it
as the runs are happening (and only at the bigger events) - another staff
member required that has nothing to do with running a meeting! Staff to
turn up to every meeting to run the events is hard enough to find and this
job is not high priority for the tracks to assign another worker to at the
moment, unfortunately.
To a sponsor or the public a record is a record, it could actually help a
racer get a sponsor when he/she holds a track record, as only one racer
can hold a National record.
A local record may help a racer get a local sponsor - the company is
probably only concerned with his local clientel after all.
If you can run sub record passes at a lesser meeting, why would you not be
able to repeat at a National event prepped track? Out of 43 records,
Champion held 7 from their non NZDRA points events, and there were 7 set
at other tracks when non NZDRA points meetings were run - were these
others legal runs? How well where they checked? If I was a racer I would
be more concerned if someone was claiming my class record illegally!
You do realise that every record you claim changes your index making it
harder to beat your competitors? And if done at a non NZDRA points round
this could make it harder for you to win at a series event which may be on
National TV, better for your sponsors if you are winning there, isn't it?
Use the other meetings to your advantage!
NZDRA
Ian Hilder
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Published, June 28, 2007
Thanks for putting it into perspective. That all makes perfect sense to me
now.
Ian Wilkins
AKL NZ |
Published, June 28, 2007
Yes having read Chris Tynan's reasoning I can see his point.
I must try not to jump to conclusions so fast. But we could have made more
informed comments if we had had his reasoning behind the change made known
before.
Richard
AK NZ
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Published, June 29, 2007
Thanks Mr H for posting Chris Tynon's response. The main issue still
appears to be the ability of NZDRA to utilise up to date technologies (or
not so up to date) in order to ensure speedy transfer to Head Office of
newly claimed records and their evidence. I am fully aware that there is a
managerial split between the track promoters and NZDRA Head Office. It
would seem logical that it is in the interests of both the tracks (from a
promotional aspect) and NZDRA (for effective and efficient systems
management) to ensure that National index records can be quickly claimed
and logged.
I was under the impression - rightly or wrongly - that records could only
be claimed if the track had the correct timing equipment, weather
monitoring station, scales and an NZDRA area steward present. If all these
conditions are met and a record claimed I am a little unsure how this
could be illegal. In addition if this is not the case and records are
being claimed illegally (I actually thought the reverse was the problem
i.e. records not being claimed) then it would appear that the tracks and
NZDRA are not policing events appropriately. I am sure that NZ does not
need a 'media person' to ensure records are logged merely someone who has
computer literacy both at the track and at the NZDRA Head Office.
I suggest researching the benefits of an e-commerce approach.
Rachel Taylor
Wainui/NZ
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