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Subject: Junior Drag Bikes
Posted 28th April 2007
I'm trying to get Junior Dragbike class up and running here in NZ,
NZDRA are not keen..Not safe they say. Any support emails sent to the NZDRA executive from all the
dragbike riders may be helpful. We comp. bike riders are not getting any
younger and need some new blood on bikes. What do you reacon TA?
Username: Ian Taylor
My Town & Country: Wainuiomata
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I see a lot of value in this for Drag
Bike racing in NZ, But also a lot of work for those involved! The car guys
do it so what do you think?
Here are
some rules used in the UK
And
a website in the UK
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| Posted 02 May 2007 I think it is a good
idea...you should send a detailed plan
to the
NZDRA with the email support of ever rider we can get. But send it in one
go
as it will have more impact than the odd email of support turning up.
Richard
Username: Richard Ramsay
My Town & Country: AK
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Richard this is only a bill board for
all to see and like minded people to express their thoughts and ideas. You
need to qualify who the YOU in your Letter is
addressed to!
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Posted: May 3, 2007
Comments: Taylor, what do you mean we aren't getting any younger, I feel
half my age( or is that act half my age?!) The trouble with the NZDRA
and any dragbikes is they are not really interested in bikes in general.
NZDRA is run by doorslammer drivers, and rather than it being allegedly
dangerous, I think it is simply too much work for them to get this
going and legislated. Rather than just dragbike riders pushing it, I think
we need some sort of poll with ALL nzdra affiliated people to give
Chris and ourselves a clear picture of the interest. Geez, even I didnt
realise it would generate this much interest when I gave Mr. Hilder the
weblink to the UK site! Something for your grandkids to continue your
legacy Mr TA. Miss your smiling face at the track. Lets ave a go at this!
Username: Ian Wilkins
My Town & Country: Jaffaville
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Well strong words indeed. I thought that the NZDRA
executive were elected. So how come you say it is run by "Doorslammer
Drivers" and there is no Bike representation there? Ray Peterson used to
run a fast bike. Maybe more bike riders should put their names forward to
be on the NZDRA executive! Has anyone asked the JUNIOR DRAGSTER
racers how this class got started? I can think of 2 bike guys involved "
Steve Daniels & Peter Smith"
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Posted May 4, 2007
Comments: "you"...meant whoever it is who is going to take up this idea
and collect the info and support needed to get the NZDRA to listen.
Richard
Username: Richard Ramsay
My Town & Country: AK
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Thanks for that.
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Posted, May 5, 2007
Comments: MR TA, Ray Peterson hasn't had anything to do with bikes for
many years now and I don't even want to go into his attitude to us now,
but I have my opinion.
Good suggestion about infiltrating NZDRA executive with more riders,
I like it!
Now what about that poll with ALL NZDRA affiliated people on the JDB
issue?
Thanks for the junior dragster point, yes it will be worth talking to
those men. What a fine class that junior dragster has become, and we
are starting to see some of the older ones move into bigger things now
too. Fantastic for the sport.
Username: Ian Wilkins
My Town & Country: Akl
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Good constructive stuff.
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Posted, May 7, 2007
I support any idea that promotes drag bike racing in NZ and think this
will only help to bring newcomers our sport.
As president of the Nelson club this year I have pushed to promote the
bike classes and what a fantastic reaction we got from the public at
Nelson to see one of the biggest field of comp bikes the south Island has
seen in years! I will be doing my bit to make sure the bike class has a
say in how our sport is run.
Username: Tristan Scalmer
My Town & Country: New Zealand
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Posted, May 8, 2007
Comments: I like the idea of a junior dragbike class, but am apprehensive
about starting a class which could struggle for numbers when there is
already the Junior dragster class in place.
A junior dragster is half motorcycle anyway and the skills learned from
racing one would cross over fairly well to bikes. This class also has very
good numbers, giving the racers plenty of competition.
I just think that in general we should be striving for fewer classes with
more competitors (better racing), rather than splitting the very limited
number of racers we have into numerous divisions.
Username: Dean Veale
My Town & Country: Helenville, NZ.
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Dean you raise a very good point on this issue as I
said at the beginning there would be a lot of work for someone or group to
get it off the ground.
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Posted, May 8, 2007
Dean, very thoughtful approach and valid point. The UK is vastly more
populated than NZ and as a result, drag racing is bigger and with more
available for each class of racing. We do need to run a better poll on
this to get an idea of true interest and I would not want the well
contested junior dragster field affected, and success in numbers would be
a requirement. There is a lot to think about and while it is great to get
excited about the idea it must also be a viable option for the NZDRA,
racers, tracks & promoters.
Username: Ian Wilkins
My Town & Country: akl
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It still boils down to those that
want it to happen to get support. Ian H. and I would be happy to set up a
page dedicated to this issue so that like minded people from both Islands
could swap ideas. What do you mean a better poll Ian W.
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Posted, May 9, 2007
I remember about 3 years ago when my daughter was born an ideal popped
into my head one night JUNIOR DRAG BIKE.
What an amazing idea but that is where I stopped it's good to see an
interest in a class like this. It would be the same as junior moto-x for
safety. Every sport has risks of one sort or another hey who would do if
it was safe ?
I give this idear 100% support
Go Junior Drag Bike
Username: Craig Wray
My Town & Country: Nelson
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Great thanks for the in put.
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Posted, May 10, 2007
Great idea and concept and I think we all would like to see our sons and
daughters, out there on two wheels... like junior cars. But check out the
latest news letter (April) "rules submissions" from NZDRA. Someone posted a
late submission it was chucked out due to safety regulations...saying that
these would not be safe...anything that bikes have to do with the NZDRA
always gets kicked out.
Username: Phil Nunn
My Town & Country: ChCh
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Phil I have put a link on your post
to the news letter.
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Posted, May 20, 2007
We (wife,Mrs M and I) attended NZDRA AGM Saturday morning and spoke to the
executives about their decision not to support junior dragbikes.
The committee voted that senior class (11-16) year olds be trialled as an
exhibition class
for the 2007/2008 season and Ian Taylor has permission to fabricate two
machines. They are
to be debut at Masterton and Nelson tracks only and run straight after
JD's over 1/8th mile.
Thanks everyone for your support.
Ian Taylor
My Town & Country: Wainuiomata
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Well maybe this website may be of
some positive use after all.
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Posted, May 28, 2007
From 2007 Junior Dragbike is an official dragracing (approved by the
Swedish Mc Federation) class. We started of in 2005 for marketing and
promotion.
Today we have 15 drivers (7 boys and 8 girls) in Sweden. Not much but
still over 10% of the total amount dragbikers in Sweden.
If you e-mail me at
peder.eneroth@svemo.se I will send you the regulations in
English.
Or visit my sons web-page at www.alex33.net the site is in Swedish but you
can contact us in English
Regards
Peder "Pedda" Eneroth
Swedish Motorcycle Federation (Svemo)
www.svemo.se
Peder Eneroth
Email: peder.eneroth@svemo.se
My Town & Country: Vasteras, Sweden
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Thank you for that information I am
sure that those wanting to be involved will contact you.
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Posted, May 30, 2007
Since 2000 I have been working for the Swedish Motorcycle Federation (Svemo)
Dragracing border. My "major" is Tech.regulations, international contacts
and for the past 3 years the Junior Bikes. Here´s some ideas for you. All
the classes except Junior-Pro is now racing in Scandinavia. England and
Norway only allows engines up to 125cc. But as we race with break-out. I
don't see any reason why. And maybe that is why Sweden has got the biggest
Junior Bike scene in the world.
Junior Dragbike rules of Sweden
JR-Dragbike race 1/8 mile (201m).
Personal equipment like senior classes
License: Drivers must take part in a drag racing school held by staff from
the Swedish Motorcycle Federation.
Special requirements to get a Junior Pro License
Classes
Junior Drag bike PRO (JB-Pro)
16-18 years choose your own index with handicap start . Min allowed index
time 6.20 sec. Absolute Break-out 5.90 sec.
Junior Drag bike A. (JBA)
14-16 years choose your own index with handicap start. Min allowed Index
time 8,9 sec. Absolute Break-out 8.4 sec.
Junior Drag bike B. (JBB)
12-14 years choose your own index with handicap start. Min allowed Index
time 12,4 sec. Absolute Break-out 12,0 sec.
Junior Drag bike C. (JBC)
10-12 years choose your own index with handicap start . Min allowed index
time 13,9 sec. Absolute Break-out 13,4 sec.
Junior Drag bike C are not allowed to race, just for exhibition.
Engine
JBC Maximum 300cc.
JBB. Maximum 500cc.
JBA, Maximum 750cc. With 2 cylinder push-rod maximum 900cc.
JB-Pro. No restrictions.
Supercharged and Nitrous oxide not allowed
Fuel
JBB/JDC Unleaded gas.
JBA/JD-Pro Unleaded or alcohol.
Gearbox
Semi-automatic is allowed.
Kill-switch
Kill-switch is mandatory
Chassis
Driver must reach down to ground with both feats while sitting on the
bike.
Wheelbase
JB-Pro min 1500 mm
JBA min 1250 mm
JBB min 1250 mm
JBC min 950 mm
Tyre and rims
Slick tyre allowed. Minimum wheel 8".
JB-Pro Min wheel 15"
JB-A Min wheel 15"
JB-B Min wheel 10"
JB-C/JB-Pro Min wheel 8"
Wheeliebar
Mandatory
Some great pictures at
www.alex33.net
//Pedda
Username: Peder Eneroth
UserEmail: aros.ror.svets@telia.com
My Town & Country: Västerås, Sweden
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Posted, June 1, 2007
Thanks for the input Peder. The Junior classes you have over there seem to
be quite good. It makes sense to allow the larger engines if the bikes are
restricted in the times they can run anyway. I guess the only drawback
would be the extra weight in the bike that you have to control. But then
again it could be argued that it is good practice for when you are an
"adult" and have to manage bikes that are relatively even larger.
Dean Veale
Email: dveale@quicksilver.net.nz
My Town & Country: Helensville
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Posted Wednesday, June 13, 2007
The extra weight is something every parent have to consider. Does my
son/daughter handle it?
Here some ideas about bikes.
JBC/JBB. Use a "China" pocket bike and put W-bars on it. You have a
complete race-bike for less than 1000 USD. Or by a complete bike from
Winnerscirkle like I did.
http://www.winnerscirklemotorsports.com.JBA. I used our Winnerscirkle bike and upgrade it with 35 hp Performance
v-twin on alcohol.
http://www.performancetwins.com . You get a pretty
extreme Junior Dragbike for less than half the money on a modified junior
dragster.
Why not build a bike of an old Speedway bike. 500cc alcohol engine an a
slider clutch. Could be nice.
For big boys/girls. A stock 883cc Harley would do 1/8 mile in about 8,5s
These are some ideas I had when I worked on the regulations. The only
problems so far is that the break out in JBB and JBC seem to be to high.
All the kids (or the parents) wants to drive faster. But to change the
break-out is a decision I would take later on this season.
//Pedda
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Published, August 26, 2007
Thanks for the comments Pedda.
Perhaps we should start the junior class at 10 or 11 and senior at 13 or
14 and increase engine capacity from 125cc for junior to 250cc or possibly
even 400cc for senior.
I believe we should limit the MPH/KPH and not set a cap on the ET. It's
been proven that it's the speed that causes serious injury not how fast
you get there.
This I believe will keep the young riders interested and increase
competitive spirit.
IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS THE FIRST JUNIOR BIKE builds,
please go to
http://www.straycatnz.com and click on the Support US image on
the junior bike page and you can make a secure payment through Pay-Pal.
Every dollar will make a big difference and make this project a success
for this coming season. All support and feedback will be much appreciated.
Cheers.
Ian Taylor
Email: ian@straycatnz.com
Wainui, NZ
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Published, September 9, 2007
I would love to make a debut in dragbikes,I am 17 and since my
brother-n-law Craig built the katana & the years of watching Tristan
clean up and I have been crewing I just had the urge to get out there
and race, I am all for it and it would be a great opportunity for people
of my age and younger to start racing
Cheers
Jamez Hume
Tel: 0273868841
Nelson, NZ
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Published September 12, 2007
Well in Sweden you are not allowed to participate in a race before you
are 12 years old. And that's a rule by the motorcycle federation. So our
JBC can only do exhibition passes.
I don´t know if speed is the problem. My experience of dragracing
(seniors) is that most of the problems are when they accelerate. But
most serious injury is due to high speed. That's true.
The bikes looks great. But don´t you think you have a little to much
rake. My son complains about steering problems in high speed (75mph). So
I'm trying to figure out if it´s the rake or the slick tyre is the
problem. The biggest problem is that I'm to heavy to try the bike myself
:o)
Pedda Eneroth
Email: peder.eneroth@svemo.se
Tel: +46 73 920 32 82
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Published, September 26, 2007
Pedda
Thanks for the comments, we will be starting with riders from 13 yrs old
this year and address the age groups before our proposal to introduce
the class next season (08/09)
Steering geometry is such a difficult science I believe its going to
take some testing to get it right for our particular type of
application. In the case of drag racing we want to go as straight as
possible with only a 20 - 25 degrees of steering in this case I have
used around 48 degrees off vertical. These first two bikes will be in
Exhibition class for this coming season and then we can draw up some
rules based on UK, Swedish and US rules and suggest perhaps two or three
engine sizes. I agree with your earlier comments about going up in steps
from a 125 and then at 17 to go onto a full on dragbike with high horse
power.
Jamez
Unfortunately you are now too old at 17 to ride a junior bike, but once
you have a cival restricted bike or car licence you can apply for your
NZDRA drag racing license. Tristan and Craig should be able to help you.
We are hoping to take the junior bikes to Nelson for the first meeting.
Start racing on street bike good fun and once you get the bug perhaps
Craig will help you build a comp bike. Hopefully we will get a chance to
catch-up at Motueka.
Regards Ian Taylor
Email: ian@straycatnz.com
Tel: 049720659
Wainuiomata,NZ
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